Mike Hayes: I don’t understand the Christian idea that we can have a church culture where you get saved, baptized, filled with the Spirit, and then you are done and you sit on the sidelines.
You can take the greatest golfers in the world, tiger or whoever, and all those guys have coaches. They have mental coaches. They have swing coaches. They have travel and life coaches. And they recognize that they are not going to be in the one percent if they don’t have someone who can coach them.
Some of the guys that I pastored through the years who come out of professional athletics, who were typically high school athletes, standouts in college then went to pro ranks, they are easy to pastor, because they have been coached for years and they recognize the importance of having a coach, a mentor.
One of the guys I hired, Gordon Banks from the Dallas Cowboys, finished his career, had been coached all his life, and was easy to train in ministry and become great because he was coachable. He recognized that he had walked into a different environment, and that if he was going to be an effective pastor he was going to have to be coached by another pastor.
Isaac Pitre: Once you get saved and begin that road of destiny in Christ, you have to be trained in order to be excellent. We came from that model where we just prayed it all through. And prayer works. But what prayer does, it puts things in motion in the earth to bring you to that place. We have got to get back to the point in the church where you take the member and say, “Okay, God called you, He saved you. Now it’s time to be equipped for excellence and released.
Once we get the why discovered, now we have to get the why developed. And it takes training, coaching, and encouragement. If you have a church culture that is not pursuing that, you don’t even see the need for that. Nearly every great man or woman of God has been mentored and trained, because it takes that to reach the level of development that God has for each of us.
That is what the church is all about. As pastors we give revelation and inspiration and all that, but when our members leave the Sunday meeting or the midweek service or whatever, their relationships have not ended. They are going to need people to mentor them in their particular ministry assignment, whether that is in the marketplace, in the classroom, in media, whatever.
Mike Hayes: Here’s an example. Years ago at our church we saw the great need for a premarital counseling program to prepare couples to be married. We got more resistance from that than you can imagine. Culturally coming out of the world here is the presumption people have: “You are a church. You are a pastor. You are somehow obligated to marry us. We want it on this day. Have the church ready and we want to get out of here and we may not come back again. Why do we need premarital counseling?”
Of course, one of the answers it so that you don’t kill each other the first 30 days of marriage. [audience laughter]
Today we still have a cultural problem with marriage. You can watch television programs where you can tell, all of the emphasis and the fantasy for a young lady in America is on the wedding, not the marriage. There is no training for being married. There is only information on how to have a fairytale wedding.
There’s not even a thought about how to make the marriage strong after the night of the wedding is over. All the emphasis is on the dress, the music, and the after party and the bridesmaids, but with no idea how to run a marriage. And there is still resistance to training for that.
Chuck Pierce: We also don’t train in covenant. The body of Christ is in covenant. That is why we take communion. That is why we come together. And everything we talked about is immersed in this covenant with God.
If we are not training people in covenant they will never understand covenant, because most have come out of broken covenants. The main thing Christians have to see is that the Bible says we have a future. Every one of our TBN audience watching tonight, listen: you have a future. Now a future means you have an expected end that is to come about and that end should be greater than your beginning.
So if you have a future, you’ve got to know what your destiny is because you are pressing towards the future that God has for you. So many times that is why we have to have the right voice speaking into it. I have to have the right voice speaking into me if I’m calling for the healing of the nations. I have to know how to go to the nations.
Keith Craft: Yes, that is so true. Jesus came so we can have life more abundantly. One of the saddest times in history was Daniel chapter one, when the Bible says God turned his people over to the Chaldeans. God turned them over and put them under Pharaoh’s rule. They were taught the way of the Chaldeans.
Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego were taught the language and culture for three years in a world system because God had the big picture in place, and he knew he needed them to rise up as leaders who would lead the His people in that period of time. I say that to say this. For too long we have looked to the world for leadership.
We have to have in the structure of the church servant leadership models that are raised up because I believe what Martin Luther King Jr. said, and that is transformation happens at the level of service. God is not looking for a volunteer mentality in the church world. They picked up the world volunteer and we look for volunteers. That is not in the Bible. God is looking for people who will servant lead.
And here is how I would challenge our TBN viewers. Find a place you can serve. The answer to your purpose is to be about your Father’s business, just like Jesus was at twelve years old. What did He do? He served for 18 years before he ever led anywhere.